{"id":603,"date":"2020-08-25T20:23:00","date_gmt":"2020-08-25T20:23:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dev.nysmusic.com\/2020\/2020\/08\/25\/street-pharmacys-ryan-guay-and-giant-panda-guerilla-dub-squads-james-searl-talk-activism-in-canada-and-america\/"},"modified":"2020-08-25T20:23:00","modified_gmt":"2020-08-25T20:23:00","slug":"street-pharmacys-ryan-guay-and-giant-panda-guerilla-dub-squads-james-searl-talk-activism-in-canada-and-america","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev.nysmusic.com\/2020\/2020\/08\/25\/street-pharmacys-ryan-guay-and-giant-panda-guerilla-dub-squads-james-searl-talk-activism-in-canada-and-america\/","title":{"rendered":"Activism in Canada and America: a Conversation with Street Pharmacy’s Ryan Guay and GPGDS’s James Searl"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

In the final installment of NYS Music’s interview with Street Pharmacy<\/a>‘s Ryan Guay and Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad<\/a>‘s James Searl, the pair take the time to dig deep on their relationship to modern progressive activism in Canada and America, and the inspiration for “They Don’t Give A $$$.” Ryan reveals the dark past of Canada while James shares his family history with the abolitionist movement. Catch up with parts one <\/a>and two<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Thomas Lent:<\/strong> You know, we’ve been talking about a wide variety of different crises here, but you know this track is about activism. Emphasis on the active. To promote the causes that your groups stand for, what specific causes would you like your listeners to contribute to?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ryan Guay:<\/strong> Well, I think, first and foremost, looking from the Canadian perspective. The indigenous people have received the worst brunt of what it is to be Canadian but not be Canadian because they aren\u2019t acknowledged that they are Canadian. Something I would like to bring up to an Americans attention is the Truth and Reconciliation Document that was written in 2015 where the federal government in Canada formally apologized, to make reparations for certain indigenous populations of Canada. If you want to read about what actually happened here and how terrible it was for all indigenous people, especially young people being shipped off to residential schools and being raped by Catholic priests, and you know going back to their, to the tribes, back to the “rez” and not being accepted because they lost their culture. Looking into the highest suicide rate in Canada and who that belongs to, and why. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I think it will be mind-blowing for a lot of people that have this perception of Canada as being this very apologetic, say sorry all the time, nice people. Just read that it will definitely open your eyes to the situation here that needs more attention being brought to it. That the people who die the most from murder in Canada are indigenous women who are in prostitution rings. Why? How did that happen? We had such a strong attempt at, quote-unquote, \u201cassimilating\u201d their culture into Europeanized society, why is this a thing? Obviously, the whole story has not been told. Apologies are one thing but actual action is a different thing, and theirs is definitely not enough and the situation with the pipeline being built says that. The fact that the RCMP exists for the sole purpose of keeping the indigenous population in check, to quote Sir Francis Bonhead, who created the Indian act. I think there\u2019s a lot of work to be done here. That\u2019s something that\u2019s important for the song and that why those clips were included in the video. For me as a Canadian, as a person who is of mixed blood, it\u2019s a story that should be told and should be told world-wide. James could probably speak more about the Black Lives Matter movement and other groups that we want to support as well.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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James Searl<\/strong>: If the listener had reservations about being active or for like how to get active in the movement for the good, ha, that’s so cliche. But they should seek out who the groups that are in their communities that are representing the most marginalized people. Whether it\u2019s Black Lives Matter, the Movement for Black Lives, or other groups that are working to bring all sorts of services to the indigenous community and also money and representation. They should be trying to find out who those organizations are in their community and listening to what their platforms are and what is important to them. If you have reservations about it, take a step back and realize what these people who are not you and come from a different situation are trying to say and to, you know, support that. Even if it doesn\u2019t resonate with who you are, kind of have the faith that these people are doing all the work and they know what they are talking about. Let people represent themselves and support them when they do. Learn how to be a good ally and lend your body. Especially if you’re young and don\u2019t have a family and you don\u2019t have much to do. Show up, wear your mask, and be supportive. There are people that are being beaten up and killed out there. The more people that are there the less that will happen. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

One of the greatest things that I heard about from some of these protests in New York was the young white women, when the cops would come up and start to rough up some young black men and women or teenagers in the protests they would yell out, \u201cWhite Shield\u201d and all these little white girls would run up to the cops and be the ones there to get beaten and they would stop. It was like, \u201cWow,\u201d when I was 20-21 that is not what the young white girls I knew were doing. So be part of these movements. Again the situation in the United States, the plight of the indigenous folks here, and the plight of enslaved Africans that were brought over, are very different stories but they all come to the same place and what was done to them was done by the same people. I think its important to recognize what that common denominator is, and that\u2019s \u201cAmerican Empire.\u201d Our tax dollars are used for that all over the world. Even now, there’s more people enslaved now around the world than there were during the trans-Atlantic slave trade.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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TL: <\/strong>Right! In Liberia and North Africa right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS:<\/strong> Well, in the Congo, with mining the lithium for our batteries in our phones. I think it\u2019s important to acknowledge that there’s always been abolitionists. We don’t hear about them. That\u2019s kind of what this argument about the founding fathers is about right now. Why are we learning about these guys, Thomas Jefferson for example, who raped his wife\u2019s half-sister who was given to him as a wedding present because she was enslaved and was the product of a rape her father committed. Thomas Jefferson then took that wedding gift, that was a person, and his wife\u2019s half-sister, to France, where he started to sleep with her and made babies. Why are we learning about him and not about that part of him and not about the abolitionists that were around at the time and we’re calling them out for it? <\/p>\n\n\n\n

There’s always been people who knew the wrong thing was happening so it\u2019s hard to live in 2020 and know that, \u201cOh we\u2019ve come so far, we eradicated slavery, it\u2019s been over for so long.\u201d Well really because we\u2019re all on our cellphones. While we can\u2019t yell at every individual cell phone owner we can all as cell phone owners, you know, make it loud to Apple and Google, who make these technologies, or our governments, to pass laws that make sure people are working in safe conditions, and are paid a reasonable wage. It all comes down to \u201cWorkers of the world unite.\u201d It\u2019s all part of the same call. It\u2019s been happening for hundreds of years. This is not a new moment this is part of a long moment. Additionally, the education part of that is important and I\u2019d like to recommend books to people for people to read.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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TL:<\/strong> What books would you recommend?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS: <\/strong>The New Jim Crow<\/em> by Michelle Alexander is super eye-opening about everything from the trans-Atlantic slave trade to the drug war and the prison industrial complex. It\u2019s one line, and white America has been doing this to black America since before the founding of the country and its nation\u2019s wealth is built on. We wouldn\u2019t have what people call \u201cAmerican Exceptionalism\u201d without it. Of course \u201cAmerican Exceptionalism\u201d is also a flawed term, highly flawed. But, the more you see, the more you know, the more you see and if you can be anti-racist, and that refers to Ibram X. Kendi\u2019s book How to Be an Antiracist<\/em>. People talk about how this book is sold out in some places but it\u2019s in audiobook form so it will never sell out in the <\/strong>audio form. They can just keep giving it to you. He reads it himself, again I\u2019ve been pretty devoted to studying, because of reggae and hip-hop, I\u2019ve been devoted to learning about, what Bob Marley called \u201cThe real situation\u201d and the line that he says in \u201cSo Much Things to Say\u201d: \u201cNever forget who you are and where you stand in this struggle.\u201d It means something different when Bob Marley says it that when I say it because I\u2019m coming from a different place. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

I\u2019ve been devoted to learning about this stuff and the history of racism in America and the history of the political economy of the United States and the world, for like since I was 17-18 years old. The things I\u2019ve learned from The New Jim Crow<\/em> and How To Be An Antiracist<\/em> are things that I had never thought about before up until a year or two ago. So I think that being an antiracist is something that is gonna legitimately take everybody their entire life to work on, including their children\u2019s life, and maybe even some generations after that. It\u2019s not a small calling so the time to start is now and you can start by educating yourself about it and there’s great resources out there. People have done the work. People don\u2019t want to do that, that\u2019s why it was so amazing to see that show Watchmen<\/em> on HBO, like I sorta knew about the Tulsa Bombing, and I\u2019ve been trying to know about this stuff for a long time, and I\u2019ve been trying to wrap my head around this history. But even now it was like, \u201cOh what happened in Tulsa? Oh ya, black Wall Street was bombed, firebombed by planes, and women and children were killed.\u201d Now we all know about it and that\u2019s because artists have with movies, shows, books, and plays, that\u2019s always how I’ve really learned about that stuff. As much as I want education and school and books to inform me, more entertaining media has done a good job for me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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TL<\/strong>: I agree, modern media has been doing a much better job of representing these untold stories.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS<\/strong>: Hey man, you\u2019re from East Aurora, do you mind if I tell you a small family story?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

TL<\/strong>: Sure go ahead!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS<\/strong>: My dad\u2019s from East Aurora and the way that my family got to East Aurora was in the 1800s, I had a relative named Isacc Searl who moved his family from Vermont after he lost everything in a drought, he was a farmer and they were suffering so he moved his family and they ended up in Cattaraugus county. We didn\u2019t really know about who he was but my dad got into genealogy when I was a little kid and he found a picture of him at the time and started putting it on shirts for our family reunion every year. All the family from East Aurora, Buffalo, and Rochester would come hang with us and we would celebrate the family of Isaac Searl. The picture was from the eighteen hundreds and he looked like an \u201cOld Searl\u201d and just a couple years ago some history was unearthed that a person who was on their death bed in the late 19th century told a secret. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

He told a secret about, “Hey listen in the 1820’s and 30\u2019s the Underground Railroad was really happening around here and these were the people that were involved.” They’re all dead now so they can\u2019t go to prison, but Isaac Searl used to hide people who were traveling on the Underground Railroad in his house and then get them to the boat that would take them to Canada. So like, it\u2019s amazing, and it made me proud to know that my family, the white part of my family came to the United States in around 1632, a long time ago, and I\u2019m sure a lot of them were involved in all sorts of terrible shit but it\u2019s nice to know that is a guy who had already lost everything risked his life and his family, and losing everything again, to do what he knew was right. It\u2019s important to me to remember that even in those times people knew what the right thing to do was and you can be like those people now. You can always be one of those people. I\u2019m really proud of all my young cousins from East Aurora that are in their teens and twenties, it\u2019s like, \u201cWow, you’re so cool. I\u2019m so glad I don\u2019t have to like, be arguing with you guys about this stuff, it gives me a lot of hope.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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TL<\/strong>: That\u2019s fantastic, do you have any other points you would like to communicate too the listeners?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG:<\/strong> For books, I would say that The Inconvenient Indian: A Curious Account of Native People in North America<\/em> by Thomas King is a great book for people to check out who are interested in the real history about the relationship between North American Natives and non-natives, what that looks like from the perspective of the indigenous people when they first met. It\u2019s a unique account. I think I just told James to check out The Indian Horse<\/em> by Richard Wagamese.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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JS<\/strong>: I just bought both of those books from my local female black-owned book store. She\u2019s ordering them for me thanks for the recommendation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: No problem, I think those are the books I would recommend.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

TL<\/strong>: Do you guys have any closing statements that you want to add for the track?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS:<\/strong> Ryan has got an incredible team up there and it would be a great honor for me to do more stuff like this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: It\u2019s amazing that a random fan was able to connect us and we were able to hit it off so well. James is such an enormous talent and he\u2019s such a good person, his heart is in the right place, and I really hope that we continue to work together to make music that creates change and helps people realize what\u2019s up in the world and makes people feel good and positive and that we\u2019re moving forward in the right way. I feel very lucky, the invisible line is a lot more significant to Canadians trying to get into the United States to tour and make music. You don\u2019t know what\u2019s going to happen when you get over there, but to find a kindred spirit in James and to make music with James, and Eli played on the track, he did fantastic I forgot to mention that. I just feel really lucky James and all of Giant Panda Guerilla Dub Squad are some of the best musicians I\u2019ve ever worked with for any genre and it\u2019s been amazing to work with them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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JS<\/strong>: And enjoying music and talking about activism and talking about what\u2019s right and what\u2019s wrong it all happened at the same time. Friends, family, while your cleaning in the kitchen, making love in the bedroom, all this stuff you don\u2019t have to separate this stuff as different parts of your life, they’re all part of your life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: Yeah, we want people to get out there and do something. The last line that in the verse that James wrote: \u201cIt\u2019s not what you say it\u2019s what you do.\u201d It\u2019s important to not only have these conversations but also to do something that can affect change. That\u2019s what this song is really about, it\u2019s a call to action. Before we leave there’s one more thing I wanted to add to another question you had asked, something that was really disturbing to me while we were working on this song. In Toronto, on July 2nd<\/sup> and 3rd<\/sup>, there were some riots for an African-Canadian woman who was tossed out of a balcony by a police officer who was called to interview for some sort of domestic call. There were protests in my neighborhood in Welland, which is about 80 minutes outside of Toronto. There was a person from that group that I was discovering before, trying to pay young men to go into Toronto to break things and cause a riot rather than a peaceful protest. That to me, if there isn\u2019t a reason to get up and say something, if that isn\u2019t a reason I don\u2019t know what is gonna be. If you have somebody like that who goes into a neighborhood and pays broke college kids to go and break things in Toronto for $200 a day each, there’s the issue. It was scary to see that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS:<\/strong> Don\u2019t be that guy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: Don\u2019t ever be that guy!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

TL<\/strong>: Don\u2019t take money to go destroy another community, got it!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: Ha ha, yeah, I just wanted to add that to your previous comment about what was going through our heads while we were writing it. I called the police who interviewed and they were aware of the situation and had marked the group as a terrorist organization which is positive. In Canada, that\u2019s what the situation is. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS<\/strong>: That\u2019s the way that the KKK over here is.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: I noticed that actually. As a matter of fact, the KKK in Canada actually started in my home town in 1908, so yeah.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS<\/strong>: The grand wizard lives a town away from me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

RG<\/strong>: Wow that\u2019s close <\/p>\n\n\n\n

JS: <\/strong>And people know that that\u2019s what’s crazy to me, everybody knows him. I guess I\u2019m not gonna try anything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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