NYS Music 20​19

Author: Maddi Annunziata

  • Spafford Announces Extensive 2020 Winter Tour

    Spafford announced its 2020 winter tour this week. The four-piece will venture out on a 39-date tour following their four-night New Year’s run in California. Throughout the winter, they will be joined by a number of special guests including The Iceman Special, Eggy, Cycles, Yak Attack, and The Jauntee.

    The tour kicks off Jan. 15 in Houston, TX at the White Oak Music Hall, then continues into Austin, Dallas and New Orleans. The band will then travel to the southeast with dates in Pensacola, Tampa, Fort Lauderdale, Jacksonville, Birmingham, Oxford (MS), and Knoxville. Jan. 31 is the first of a two-night run at the Variety Playhouse in Atlanta, GA.

    February will see dates in Greensboro, Washington D.C., and Boston before their three-night run at Brooklyn’s Brooklyn Bowl February 7-9. The last night of the run will be a special acoustic-only performance. The band will take a short break and get back on the road for a set of Colorado dates, which start with a three-night run Feb. 28 – March 1 in Winter Park. March brings two-night runs in Frisco and Steamboat Springs, followed by stops all throughout the midwest and west coast, until the band reaches Las Vegas on April 4.

    See the full list of dates below. Presales and VIP packages are available now, and general admission tickets for all announced dates go on sale Friday, Nov. 15. Check out the band’s website for ticket information.

    December 27 – West Hollywood, CA – The Roxy Theatre

    December 28 – West Hollywood, CA – The Roxy Theatre

    December 30 – San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall

    December 31 – San Francisco, CA – Great American Music Hall

    January 15 – Houston, TX – White Oak Music Hall (Upstairs)

    January 16 – Austin, TX – Antone’s Nightclub

    January 17 – Austin, TX – Antone’s Nightclub

    January 18 – Dallas, TX – Trees

    January 19 – New Orleans, LA – House of Blues New Orleans

    January 22 – Pensacola, FL – Vinyl Music Hall

    January 23 – Tampa, FL – The Orpheum

    January 24 – Fort Lauderdale, FL – Culture Room

    January 25 – Jacksonville, FL – 1904 Music Hall

    January 28 – Birmingham, AL – Saturn

    January 29 – Oxford, MS – Proud Larry’s

    January 30 – Knoxville, TN – Bijou Theatre

    January 31 – Atlanta, GA – Variety Playhouse

    February 1 – Atlanta, GA – Variety Playhouse

    February 3 – Greensboro, NC – The Blind Tiger

    February 5 – Washington, DC – 9:30 Club

    February 6 – Boston, MA – Royale

    February 7 – Brooklyn, NY – Brooklyn Bowl

    February 8 – Brooklyn, NY – Brooklyn Bowl

    February 9 – Brooklyn, NY – Brooklyn Bowl *

    February 28 – Winter Park, CO – Ullrs Tavern

    February 29 – Winter Park, CO – Ullrs Tavern

    March 1 – Winter Park, CO – Ullrs Tavern

    March 4 – Grand Junction, CO – Mesa Theater

    March 6 – Frisco, CO – 10 Mile Music Hall

    March 7 – Frisco, CO – 10 Mile Music Hall

    March 10 – Steamboat Springs, CO – Schmiggity’s Live Music Dance Bar

    March 11 – Steamboat Springs, CO – Schmiggity’s Live Music Dance Bar

    March 13 – Aspen, CO – Belly Up Aspen

    March 14 – Telluride, CO – Sheridan Opera House

    March 17 – Park City, UT – Park City Live

    March 19 – Victor, ID – Knotty Pine

    March 20 – Bozeman, MT – Rialto

    March 21 – Missoula, MT – Top Hat Lounge

    March 22 – Sandpoint, ID – The Hive

    March 24 – Bellingham, WA – The Shakedown

    March 26 – Portland, OR – Wonder Ballroom

    March 27 – Bend, OR – Volcanic Theatre Pub

    March 28 – Seattle, WA – Neumos

    April 1 – Arcata, CA – Humboldt Brews

    April 4 – Las Vegas, NV – The Bunkhouse Saloon

    * An Evening with Spafford – Acoustic Only Show

  • The Black Crowes Reunite for ‘Shake Your Money Maker’ 30th Anniversary

    It has been six years since The Black Crowes played their final show on December 14, 2013, but over the last few months, rumors have been running rampant about a reunion. Last month, the Wall Street Journal published an article stating many industry sources have hinted something was in the works for a Black Crowes reunion. Last week the band’s social media accounts and website were updated with new art, and earlier this week there were reports of digital billboards with the same artwork in Wisconsin from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

    The initial dates of the anniversary tour were announced the early hours of November 9, when the poster showed up on an electronic billboard in New York City’s Penn Station. On July 17, 2020 at PNC Bank Arts Center and July 18 at Northwell Health at Jones Beach Theater, The Black Crowes will reunite for the 30th anniversary of their debut album ‘Shake Your Money Maker,’ by playing the album in its entirety along with “all the hits.”

    The reunion is rumored to be led by founding brothers Chris and Rich Robinson, whose often strained relationship was what caused the band to break up not just in 2015 but also back in 2002. When former drummer and founding member of Black Crowes, Steve Gorman, was approached about the reunion he said the band will not likely be bringing in members from the past.

    I think they’re in a place where, I would imagine, they’re not interested in having anybody from the past work with them. It just makes it cleaner and easier, because to bring people back to do it right, you have a lot of explaining to do, you have a lot of apologizing to do, and you’ve gotta make up for a lot of damage you’ve caused.

    Steve Gorman – Former drummer and founding member of The Balck Crowes

    The band broke up in 2015 over what seemed to be one of the many arguments between the Robinson brothers. In January of 2015, Rich Robinson released a statement announcing the band’s break-up, going into some detail about discrepancies over band ownership and money.

  • Hearing Aide: Aqueous ‘Burn it Down’

    Buffalo-based four-piece, Aqueous, explores their indie dance-rock roots with their latest EP ‘Burn it Down.’ Comprised of Mike Gantzer (vocals/guitar), Dave Loss (guitar/keys/vocals), Evan McPhaden (bass), and Rob Houk (drums), Aqueous has been evolving, and this EP embodies that evolution. It consists of four songs, all between 3 to 4 minutes long. Though each song has it’s own Aqueous groove, but you can also hear the heavy influences in each one; going from a rebellious indie-rock jam in the album’s title song to an electro-pop rock dance anthem with “On the Edge.”

    Burn It Down signifies a straight up paradigm shift for Aqueous. We dove headlong into our rock, indie, and dance roots, and put a much sharper focus on concise, badass rock and roll song writing. We really wanted to further explore a certain attitude that has always been a part of all of us but that might’ve been a little underrepresented in our music up until now. 

    Mike Gantzer – Aqueous (guitar/vocals)

    The band is in the first leg of an extensive fall tour, and they have been subtly teasing fans with the EP by covering songs that heavily influenced the music. These include songs from Weezer, Chromeo, Blink-182, Queens of the Stone Age, Tears for Fears and more.

    While the EP is not what fans would normally expect from Aqueous, it is no doubt catchy and exciting. Aqueous has always been well known for their songwriting, and this is highlighted in the EP. Burn it Down sends a powerful message about living your personal truth. It tells a story of a fresh start rising from the ashes.

    This EP is about not being afraid to stand up and make a change that will get you closer to living your truth, whatever that might be. It’s about self honesty, and about questioning unhealthy situations and relationships, and calling bullshit when it needs to be called. It’s meant to say ‘whatever your situation is, it’s never too late to just tear the whole thing down and start over’. 

    Mike Gantzer

    Burn it Down is available on all streaming platforms now.

    Key Tracks: On the Edge, Little Something to Me

  • Aqueous All Set to Kick Off Fall Tour in Syracuse

    Buffalo-based band Aqueous makes the first stop on their extensive fall tour tonight in Syracuse at the Westcott Theater. Comprised of Mike Gantzer (guitar/vocals), Dave Loss (guitar/keys/vocals), Evan McPhaden (bass) and Rob Houk (drums), Aqueous is known for their heavy improvisation and their “near psychic” level of on-stage chemistry. As a band, they are always exploring musically, and there is bound to be some exciting surprises for fans throughout the course of the tour. The band is eager to get back on the road and reconnect with fans after an extremely successful festival season this summer, which included appearances at Peach Music Festival, Summer Camp Music Festival and Cobblestone Live.

    “You can’t beat the intimacy and connection with the crowd during headlining AQ shows at clubs, and we’ve got some big plans for this tour.”

    Mike Gantzer

    Highlights for the upcoming tour include a special “Hero’s Halloween” themed night in Pittsburgh which will also feature a collaboration with Pittsburgh’s own pop/funk horn section, Steeltown Horns. There will be VIP “King For A Day” packages for dates in Chicago and Denver. VIP Packages include early entry to the venue, photo opportunity with the band, a download of the show’s soundboard and limited edition VIP merchandise. Additionally, Aqueous will be making their debut at the famed Capitol Theatre in Port Chester, NY with their Vermont-based frends Twiddle. The tour will close out with a hometown two-night run at the Town Ballroom for New Year’s Eve with Buffalo based band Witty Tarbox. 

    New York and Connecticut-based trio lespecial will be joining Aqueous for a few dates on the tour. Lespecial seamlessly fuses a myriad of genres, veering from hip-hop to metal, prog to house, pensive indie-rock to apocalyptic dub.

    See the full list of tour dates below, and visit the band’s website for ticket information. 

    10/24 – Syracuse, NY – Westcott Theater *

    10/26 – Saratoga Springs, NY – Putnam Place *

    10/30 – Harrisburg, PA – XL Live *

    10/31 – Pittsburgh, PA – Rex Theater *

    11/1 – Baltimore, MD – The 8×10 *

    11/2 – Richmond, VA – Richmond Music Hall *

    11/3 – Virginia Beach, VA – The Bunker *

    11/6 – Raleigh, NC – Pour House *

    11/7 – Atlanta, GA – Aisle 5 *

    11/8 – Asheville, NC – Asheville Music Hall *

    11/9 – Nashville, TN – Exit / In *

    11/10 – Louisville, KY – Gravely Brewing Co. *

    11/13 – Ann Arbor, MI – Blind Pig *

    11/14 – Indianapolis, IN – Hi-Fi

    11/15 – Grand Rapids, MI – Stache @ Intersection

    11/16 – Chicago, IL – Lincoln Hall $

    11/17 – Madison, WI – High Noon Saloon

    11/19 – Saint Paul, MN – Turf Club

    11/20 – Omaha, NE – Slowdown

    11/22 – Denver, CO – Gothic Theatre $

    11/23 – Steamboat Springs, CO – Old Town Pub

    12/6 – Covington, KY – Madison Live

    12/7 – Columbus, OH – Woodlands

    12/30 & 12/31 – Buffalo, NY – Town Ballroom

     * w/ Lespecial

    $ notes dates w/ “King For A Day” VIP Experience Option

  • Umphrey’s McGee Adds New Deal, Billy Strings to 20/20 Tour Dates

    Umphrey’s McGee has released the first batch of tour dates for next year for their ‘Hindsight 20/20’ Tour, including two-night runs in New York City, Detroit and Asheville, which will all have umVIP packages available. The tour will also be making a stop in Pellham, TN at The Caverns, where UM will perform in a gorgeous underground amphitheater.

    The Caverns in Pelham, TN

    The tour kicks off with a two-night run at Beacon Theatre in New York City on January 17 & 18, and then the band will stick around to play Brooklyn Bowl in Brooklyn. The tour will then make its way through PA, stopping at Stage AE, and the month of January ends with a two-night run at The Filmore in Detroit, MI. The tour continues into Tennessee, where UM will make a stop at The Carverns on February 13.

    Additionally, Umphrey’s will welcome The New Deal for a handful of dates, as well as Billy Strings and Empire Strikes Brass. The Toronto-based live electronic trio returns with new drummer Davide Di Renzo, joining Jamie Shields (keyboards) and Dan Kurtz (bass) to create the third incarnation of the dance party powerhouse, The New Deal. Singer, songwriter, and guitarist, Billy Strings takes the stage in Asheville with his unique take on psychedelic Americana, after Asheville’s own Empire Strikes Brass opens the two-night run with their blend of high energy brass, funk, and rock.

    See the full list of Hindsight 20/20 Tour dates below, tickets are on sale now.

    Umphrey’s McGee Tour Dates

    Jan. 17 – Beacon Theatre – New York, NY
    Jan. 18 – Beacon Theatre – New York, NY
    Jan. 19 – Brooklyn Bowl – Brooklyn, NY
    Jan. 23 – Penn’s Peak – Jim Thorpe, PA*
    Jan. 24 – Stage AE – Pittsburgh, PA*
    Jan. 25 – Express Live – Columbus, OH *
    Jan. 29 – Clyde Theatre – Fort Wayne, IN*
    Jan. 30 – MGM Northfield Park – Northfield, OH*
    Jan. 31 – The Fillmore – Detroit, MI*
    Feb. 1 – The Fillmore – Detroit, MI *
    Feb. 12 – Soundstage at Graceland – Memphis, TN
    Feb. 13 – The Caverns – Pelham, TN
    Feb. 14 – ExploreAsheville.com Arena – Asheville, NC^
    Feb. 15 – ExploreAsheville.com Arena – Asheville, NC^

    * with The New Deal

    ^ with Billy Strings and Empire Strikes Brass

    Umphrey’s has also just announced Hall of Fame: Class of 2018, a robust collection of the best of the best live tracks performed by the band in 2018 as voted on by the fans. Available in a limited edition, double LP set featuring splattered three-color vinyl, this year’s HOF collection contains four-and-a-half hours of music and enough improv to confuse pop fans everywhere.

  • Keller Williams’ Extensive Fall Tour Will Bring Him to Albany & Syracuse

    With his autumnal tour schedule this year, Keller Williams will be making two fall stops in Upstate NY with shows in Albany at Skyloft on October 24 and Syracuse at the Westcott Theater on October 25. Williams is an artist who defies categorization. With his dynamic and unpredictable live performances, he has developed a reputation for his genre-defying work and creativity.

    Williams is constantly evolving as an artist, with 24 studio releases and countless eclectic side projects. After just releasing his latest studio album Add on May 31, Williams is set to come out with his 25th studio release SPEED on November 22. SPEED will feature his bluegrass outfit Keller and the Keels, comprised of Keller on vocals along with progressive flatpicker Larry Keel and bassist Jenny Keel. The record will be their reinterpretation of popular songs with their psychedelic, Appalachian bluegrass style, including Fiona Apple’s “Criminal,” Kacey Musgraves’ “Slow Burn,” Weezer‘s “Island In The Sun,” and many more. This will be the group’s third collaboration together, following their 2006 release GRASS and the all-covers album THIEF, released in 2012.  

    Williams inhabits an equal parts entrancing and perplexing center of a Venn diagram that includes…bluegrass, jamgrass, musical humorism, satire, and instrumental prowess that combines flatpicking sensibility with Phil Keaggy-style ingenuity.

    Justin Hiltner – The Bluegrass Situation

    Check out fall tour dates below, for more information and tickets, go to Keller William’s website.

    Keller Williams 2019 Fall Tour Dates

    October 11 – Eureka Springs, AR – Hillberry “The Harvest Moon Festival” *

    October 12 – Live Oak, FL – Sewanee Roots Festival *

    October 17 – Columbus, OH – Woodlands Tavern

    October 24 – Albany, NY – Skyloft

    October 25 – Syracuse, NY – Westcott Theater

    October 26 – Holyoke, MA – Gateway City Arts

    November 1 – New Orleans, LA – Tipitina’s *

    November 2 – Asbury Park, NJ – The Stone Pony

    November 7 – Edmonds, WA – Edmonds Center for the Arts #

    November 8 – Bremerton, WA – Admiral Theatre #

    November 9 – Portland, OR – Wonder Ballroom #

    November 10 – Bend, OR – Tower Theatre #

    November 15 – South Burlington, VT – Higher Ground Ballroom

    November 16 – Boston, MA – Paradise Rock Club

    November 22 – Santa Fe, NM – Meow Wolf

    November 23 – Denver, CO – The Ogden Theater @

    December 5 – Brevard, NC – 185 King Street

    December 6 – Carrboro, NC – The Arts Center

    December 27 – Savannah, GA – Southbound Brewing

    December 28 – Atlanta, GA – Terminal West

    * with Keller & The Keels

    ^ with Grateful Grass ft. The Infamous Stringdusters and Oteil Burbridge

    # featuring Keller Williams’ Pettygrass

    @ with Grateful Grass, Keller & The Keels, Love Canon

  • Riverboat Bar Hosts Inaugural ‘Alex Bay Summer Send-Off’

    On Saturday, Sept. 28, Riverboat Bar will host the first annual ‘Alex Bay Summer Send-Off,’ a full day of live music, with doors opening at 2:00 p.m., to close out the summer season. The headlining performance will be funky reggae-jam fusion band, Annie in the Water. Other scheduled acts throughout the day include Root Shock, Eggy, The Old Main, Big Sexy and the Scrambled Eggs, and Trampoline Jetstream. In between sets, there will be DJ sets provided by D.C. area’s Schwa and Proper Philth.

    The night is capped off with an All-Star Super Jam featuring musicians from throughout the day. On top of all that, Ben Carrey of Pigeons Playing Ping Pong will be the artist-at-large for the day.

    Annie in the Water has played a significant role in shaping the original music scene in Upstate New York and their shows are always high energy and filled with positive vibes. A couple of bands will be making their Riverboat debut on Sept. 28 including Root Shock, a Syracuse-based soulful roots-reggae based act, and Eggy, a 4-piece improvisational rock band from New Haven, CT. Utica’s The Old Main returns to Riverboat with its original Americana folk jams. Commemorating the amazing summer season, Trampoline Jetstream and Big Sexy and the Scrambled Eggs will both return to the Riverboat after making their debuts earlier in the summer.

    The music starts at 3:00 p.m. and continues all day long. Click here for more ticketing and event information.

  • Prepare to Launch Into the Witty-verse with Witty Tarbox

    Meet Witty Tarbox. The funky surf-rock jam band hailing from Buffalo, NY that just packed the Town Ballroom to celebrate the release of their debut album, Origins of Schmitty. Comprised of Cody Tarbox (bass), Bryan Williams (guitar/vocals), Alex Khoury (guitar/vocals), Seth Bykowski (saxophone) and Colin Gray (drums), this band has quickly made a name for themselves in the WNY music scene. This year they made their debut at Night Lights Music Festival, and have opened for notable bands such as Consider the Source and Litz. 

    Witty Tarbox
    Origins of Schmitty release party at the Town Ballroom – 9/6/2019 – Photo: Zachary Todtenhagen

    How this band came to be is a perfect representation of Witty Tarbox – spontaneous and weird. One night, Bryan and Alex were at Nietzsche’s bar in Buffalo and after a drink or two, Bryan asked Alex if he wanted to start a band, and Alex said “Yeah!” After that Bryan got up for a few minutes and came back to say “Awesome, just booked us a show here, it’s in three weeks, we need a band.” They called up their friends from college, Cody and Colin and they opened up for a sold-out Delicate Steve show with a setlist composed of about 90% covers, including the Arthur theme song, and the first original song they played together, “Trevor.” 

    As Witty Tarbox started to gain momentum, they met Seth, who was playing with another local Buffalo band at the time. They asked Seth to sit-in with them and after that Seth found himself sitting-in on almost every show for about a year, until he was asked to officially join the band. 

    From there, the band has become a staple in the WNY music scene. Their shows are always high-energy, fun and most importantly, weird. One thing you will hear walking through the crowd at any Witty Tarbox show is “Wow these guys are really good, but they’re weird!” As a band, they pride themselves in that. For their album release party they asked everyone to wear costumes and go all out weird, and all out weird it was. Their performances bring a fun new take to the jam band scene. See for yourself in this video of ‘Prepare To Launch’ from this past weekend at Riverboat Bar in Alexandria Bay, NY.

    Witty Tarbox released their debut album, Origins of Schmitty, just over a week ago. Schmitty is a character that has been in the Witty-verse for some time now, as the band uses characters to tell stories with their music. The album tells a story of heartbreak, debauchery, and healing; the story of Schmitty. It starts off with a deep acoustic song, “Group Therapy,” which was never actually recorded in the studio. When they went to record it, the band felt that they couldn’t capture the same feeling they had when they recorded the video of Alex and his guitar one late-night in Cody’s living room. So, the audio on the album is actually ripped from that original iPhone video.

    “Prepare to Launch is probably one of my favorites [to perform] because the monologue that Alex does and watching like the front row of people, who probably have mostly never seen us before, and just watching their faces and tapping their buddies like ‘What the … what is going on?’ ”

    Cody Tarbox

    If you have seen Witty Tarbox live before, you might recognize a few of the songs, such as “Fa Napoli” and “Goodbye, Jackie.” Both songs, which were debuted under different names, evolved as the band experimented with new jams and finding new elements to try in the songs. Cody makes his debut on vocals in “A Universal Feeling or Two,” which has also been in rotation for about a year and a half under a different name, without lyrics. When the lyrics were introduced, Colin hated them, but once he heard Cody record it (in one take no less), it quickly became one of his favorite songs off the album. Well, either that or “Norman,” which is a favorite among the Witty team. The album ends with “Kokiri,” named after Colin’s favorite place in his favorite video game, and features Mike Gantzer of Aqueous. You can give the whole album a listen below. 

    He’s a cool guy, cool attitude … and I think [Aqueous] likes to support Buffalo and the music scene here, and just in general, everyone is kind of really supportive of each other. I like how everyone works together in Buffalo, because it’s so small and there is this sense of comradery here that’s really nice and it helps everybody grow.

    Alex Khoury, on working with Mike Gantzer and the Buffalo music scene.

    Witty Tarbox had an extremely successful summer, and they owe a lot of it to their team. They are incredibly grateful to their management, Tim Merrill and Jes Tarbox, for keeping them on their toes and keeping them focused. Another big part of the Witty team is Brandon Kempisty, who collaborates on a lot of their costumes and props for shows that help keep it weird. Together they’ve created this wonderful Witty-verse that fans have fallen in love with.

    We wouldn’t be where we are now without everyone else. It takes a village as they say.

    Cody Tarbox
    Witty Tarbox
    Witty Tarbox – Origins of Schmitty release party – 9/6/2019 – Photo: Zachary Todtenhagen

    Check out their upcoming shows below, and visit their website or Facebook page for more information and even more exciting announcements for this fall/winter.

    Upcoming Shows

    October 6 – Folkface’s Fest – Darien Center, NY

    October 26 – Brick Bar – Oswego, NY

    November 2 – King’s Rook club – Erie, PA

    November 15 – Unofficial moe. After Party – Nietzsche’s – Buffalo, NY

  • Twiddle Announces 2019 FRENDSGIVING Shows with Special Guests Aqueous

    On Tuesday, Twiddle announced their return to the historic Capitol Theatre in Port Chester for a two-night FRENDSGIVING run on November 29 and 30, 2019. Joining them both nights, for their debut at the Cap, will be Buffalo-based groove-rock band Aqueous. With the exception of Resonance Music Festival, Frendsgiving looks to be the only shows Twiddle will be playing between now and their New Year’s Eve run in Boston, MA.

    Tickets for the Frendsgiving run go on sale Friday, Sept. 13, however, VIP packages will be available for purchase on Thursday Sept. 12. VIP packages will include GA tickets for each night, early entry into each night, limited edition signed poster, commemorative VIP laminate, limited edition VIP variant pin, and an exclusive invite to Saturday’s VIP Pre-Party at Garcia’s from 4-6 PM. At Garcia’s VIP’s will have the opportunity to hang out with the band and see a very special and intimate musical performance.

    Additionally, Twiddle frontman Mihali Savoulidis has announced a run of solo dates this fall. The tour kicks off at Ocean Mist in Wakefield, RI on Oct. 11 and includes stops at the Pearl Street Pub in Albany on Nov. 1 and The Haunt in Ithaca on Nov. 16. For a full list of dates, check Savoulidis’s website.

  • Fall Gets Funky in Buffalo with MFDF Funk Nights

    Every third Thursday of the month, starting September 19, Buffalo is going to be getting funky at MFDF Funk Nights at Nietzche’s, presented by NYS Music.

    Guitarist Matt Fantini of Space Junk and keyboardist Donny Frauenhofer of Intrepid Travelers, DF3, & THE TRUTH will be your hosts, bringing in a rotating cast of local, regional, and national artists each month for a night of improvised heavy funk. This month will feature John Fohl from Intrepid Travelers/Big Martha on drums, James Benders from grüvology/DF3 on bass, and Ellen Pieroni from Folkfaces/THE TRUTH on saxophone.

    Admission is $5 at the door, and the events are 21and over unless accompanied by a guardian. Upcoming dates for MFDF Funk Night are Sept. 19, Oct. 17, Nov. 21 and Dec. 19.