{"id":309,"date":"2013-04-22T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-04-22T00:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/dev.nysmusic.com\/2013\/2013\/04\/22\/bovine-social-club-an-interview-with-samuel-saint-thomas\/"},"modified":"2013-04-22T00:00:00","modified_gmt":"2013-04-22T00:00:00","slug":"bovine-social-club-an-interview-with-samuel-saint-thomas","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dev.nysmusic.com\/2013\/2013\/04\/22\/bovine-social-club-an-interview-with-samuel-saint-thomas\/","title":{"rendered":"Bovine Social Club: An Interview with Samuel Saint Thomas"},"content":{"rendered":"

Surely seeing or hearing a name like Bovine Social Club<\/a> would conjure up images of cattle gathering.\u00a0 Is there a club for such a thing?\u00a0 Well in a sense, yes.\u00a0 In this case people are not coming together to discuss cows or any such variation.\u00a0 Instead, this is a band with a unique and humorous outlook rich in Americana roots.\u00a0 caught up with lead singer and guitarist, Samuel Saint Thomas and talked about his band co-founded by Jeff Barg (drummer).<\/p>\n

<\/b>Tabitha Clancy: <\/b>You and your bandmates have many years experience as musicians. How did Bovine Social Club come together?<\/p>\n

<\/b>Samuel Saint Thomas: \u00a0<\/b>I had taken some time of to study. To be honest, I burned out as a singer-songwriter.\u00a0 During the time I was a singer-songwriter, I had worked with a lot of different people – almost all of the guys from Railroad Earth<\/a> at one point. I was in the same bands in the same neighborhood.\u00a0 One of the people in that scene was Jeff Barg, our drummer now.\u00a0 I had seen him around a couple of times and every time I\u2019d see him he\u2019d say, \u201cWhy don\u2019t we start a band?\u201d We both ended up at the same table at Tim Carbone\u2019s birthday party.\u00a0 Jeff was pretty forceful at that time.\u00a0 So I said, \u201cI\u2019m going to think about this.\u201d And we put together a list of things, a guide as to how we were going to go about this.\u00a0 We started planning that night.\u00a0 Over the next year the band went into development. By that time I had graduated.\u00a0 I had just completed my graduate education.\u00a0 We were really inspired, as well, by what was going on with Railroad Earth (RRE). \u00a0Next thing I know, Johnny Grubb had left RRE and he came on board and helped to get us started. \u00a0I guess at the end of that year of development, Tim Carbone had heard about the project. I went to see him play somewhere and he came up to me and said, \u201cHey, I want to produce your record.\u201d So that changed things drastically because we just thought we would put a band together and play around town.\u00a0 Tim said he was going to produce the record, and then everything started falling into place.\u00a0 We were off and running.<\/p>\n

\"bovineTC:\u00a0 <\/b>Lets talk about your self-titled disc. What approach did you take going into the studio for the first time as a group?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>The approach was, \u201cTim, do whatever you want.\u201d\u00a0 We gave him a blank slate. I had produced records before and it was kind of hard to keep my mouth shut.\u00a0 He came to our rehearsals and took notes on the songs.\u00a0 He came back with a bunch of ideas about audio arrangements and tempo changes and things like that. We didn\u2019t quite have all the songs we needed. Being put under the gun, I came up with two more songs.\u00a0 This was very interesting because I was forced to come up with these two songs at the last minute. I always write songs over a period of a couple weeks and whatever came to mind is what ended up in a song. This time I did a little research. I picked up a book on gardening and went through the book.\u00a0 I picked out the things that I thought was the most interesting about gardening and put it in the song. I just completed a song last night doing the same thing about the dust bowl. I did my research about the dust bowl and it\u2019s the most interesting things that I try to express in a poetic way.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>How did working with producer,\u00a0Tim Carbone<\/a>\u00a0help shape the disc?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>I think it first shaped the way that we played, that in turn made the disc what it was.\u00a0 He took time with each one of us to work on specific things such as phrasings, or he would ask us questions; he would give us insight. For instance, for me, I have what Tim calls a \u201cfolk musician tick\u201d with a very specific way that I finger the guitar when I\u2019m playing chords. He said that really isn\u2019t helping the song. That\u2019s true from what I know about writing fiction or non-fiction. If it\u2019s not helping the song, it doesn\u2019t need to be there, it doesn\u2019t matter how expressive or how creative. Tim was very focused on the song, so that in turn influenced the disc.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0<\/b> Are there any future projects in mind?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:<\/b>\u00a0 Yea, how to approach it is a difficult thing because the music business changes daily.\u00a0 We\u2019re probably going to have to wait until the fall to see what the climate is for what I would call music product, which is very different than playing music in the living room or a large concert hall.\u00a0 I can\u2019t imagine recording is going away.\u00a0 We as human beings have this tendency to want to record everything for posterity or whatever reason.\u00a0 I\u2019m certainly not going to stop writing songs; I\u2019m not going to stop recording them. It\u2019s how we get them out there is the challenge.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Speaking of projects, tell me a little about Chords4Carrots.<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>The way we\u2019ve marketed the band is quit unique because we\u2019re really not a local band anywhere.\u00a0 There is not a local scene per se where we live because we\u2019re not a major metropolitan area for one thing and Americana music in the northeast is really in its baby stages once again. \u00a0We\u2019re always trying to think of unique ways to go about this and one of the things that we\u2019ve done is to produce our own shows.\u00a0 If there is not a decent place to play, then we create one.\u00a0 We create the whole show.\u00a0 It\u2019s labor intensive, of course. We partner with farming organizations, ones that stress local and organic.\u00a0 We are partnering with a non-profit farming alliance in NJ to launch our first music festival this summer, which is part of Chords4Carrots.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s an idea I had early on based in musicians getting asked to play a lot of benefits.\u00a0 Why is it that the band doesn\u2019t decide what they want to do rather than just wait for a phone call? Why don\u2019t we have our own benefit program? What we found is not a lot of organizations know much about producing music events. If we\u2019re going to put that kind of energy in, it should be successful. We put together Chords4Carrots and partner with organizations that want to raise money.\u00a0 We teach them how to promote a music event. We have a complete twelve-week program.\u00a0 From the inception, we name the event, find a venue with them and we walk them through the whole process. In the process, our arrangement with the organization is that we play for a percentage. They win and we win.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0<\/b> What motivates your song writing?<\/p>\n

SST:\u00a0 <\/b>Well it changes over the years. I think that when your life is in turmoil then that\u2019s probably going to come to the frontal lobe. The best songwriters write about what they\u2019re experiencing. If you go back to my solo projects, a lot of my songs have to do with heartbreak and pain. For the last ten years or so, I\u2019ve had none of that.\u00a0 My life is quite nice. \u00a0I\u2019ve started looking outside of myself for bigger things.\u00a0 Such as the idea of unconditional love, or the idea of health.\u00a0 That probably gave away to the song Picking Jamboree that is about how great it is to garden.\u00a0 So, it doesn\u2019t seem to be focused on my shortsightedness or just looking at myself.\u00a0 Maybe my graduate education in writing has helped in some way to influence my song writing. \u00a0Things that concern me that is true for all is what is influencing my song writing these days.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Your band mates have diverse and eclectic musical backgrounds.\u00a0 Describe how your songs are created and shaped as a result.<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:<\/b> \u00a0Of course that\u2019s changing since we spent so much time with Tim last year.\u00a0 We were under his guidance. We sort of grew our own legs so to speak. So as we go into rehearsal in developing a new song, we all ask ourselves about the song. The song dictates what sound the guitar should take, the sound the violin should have, the rhythm the drummer would use. People come with their own chops. For instance, Johnny (Smith) is a graduate of Berkley school in Boston. He has a lot of sensitivity to jazz and progressive rock. He tries to adapt that to something more organic.\u00a0 They try to match my vocals so that it\u2019s a cohesive thing.\u00a0 The drummer can come up with a rhythm but it matches the way that I frame the words. I just come up with the skeleton of a song \u2013 it\u2019s a rather organic process and if it\u2019s works in the first 30 minutes or so, then it\u2019s a keeper.<\/p>\n

<\/b>TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Tell me about your musical upbringing.\u00a0 How has that shaped you as a musician today?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST: <\/b>I\u2019ve tried to get a way from it, but I\u2019ve come full circle and I feel like that I\u2019ve embraced it now.\u00a0 My father studied and played jazz in NY for several years until he met my mother. Through her, he became a minister. He took Jelly Roll Morton style into church. I didn\u2019t have any idea that\u2019s what that was until many years later. I discovered Jelly Roll Morton and realized it sounded exactly like my father. That surprised me.\u00a0 This mix of people at my Dad\u2019s church was African American and people from the south, so we had both influences of music.\u00a0 I\u2019m just wondering the connection where those two things have met.<\/p>\n

<\/b>TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Do you have a fond musical memory of that time?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:<\/b> Oh yea, my sister playing her 45 rpms of bluegrass gospel constantly, one after the other.\u00a0 She met a truck driver who played guitar. He used to come to the house a lot and I\u2019d hear his southern twang. \u00a0Also listening to my mother and father rehearse their songs in the church. You could walk right through a door into the church from our living room. He had four pianos; he was always pretty close to one.\u00a0 He had a radio show and recorded that every Sunday afternoon.\u00a0 He recorded out in the church. He sat up there with his recorders, his microphones, and I sat next to him. Of course I couldn\u2019t make a sound. He would record his one-hour radio show, my mother would sing, he would play the piano and then he would preach. It just seems to me that I heard music from morning until night without any break.<\/p>\n

<\/b>TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Who are some of your current musical influences?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST: \u00a0<\/b>The tried and true: Bill Monroe, Tom Waits, Bob Dylan, Hayes Carll, early Wilco and Johnny Cash.\u00a0 I really like a lot of what is happening in the jam scene. It allows for creation in the moment right on stage. I really enjoy stretching out on stage and allowing that moment to speak to something new.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>What are the best and worst things about playing live?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST: <\/b>I\u2019m trying to understand the need the audience has to be social. I come from concert roots.\u00a0 It seems now people are sick and tired of being on Facebook or Twitter.\u00a0 When they see each other, they seem so happy to be there; they enjoy each other socially.\u00a0 Musicians are going to have to address the need for people to be social. Maybe that means bands should take a couple of breaks instead. I know I don\u2019t want to get angry on stage.\u00a0 When a band hits the stage, they are there to work.\u00a0 It\u2019s my job to work to put on a great party for the audience. It\u2019s not our party.\u00a0 We\u2019re serving someone else so they can have a great time.\u00a0 With that in place, when you have support from the audience, you can give twice as much. I don\u2019t think the audiences realize this; the more support you get from the audience, the better job the band is going to do.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Describe what people should expect from the live Bovine experience.<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>We come prepared.\u00a0 We have an agenda. We also feel we are not just musicians, we\u2019re entertainers.\u00a0 We are there to put on a good show \u2013 a good time.\u00a0 We\u2019re there to work.\u00a0 If I were to say anything to the fans, it would be, \u201cthis is your party.\u201d<\/p>\n

<\/b>TC:\u00a0<\/b> How did you all decide on the band name?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>Well we were just being random one night.\u00a0 Somebody in the room mentioned Bovine something, and then the word network got attached.\u00a0 We had three or four names on a list. We (Jeff Barg) went for a beer and we weren\u2019t going to stop until we had a name. I looked them up on my phone.\u00a0 Nothing came up in Google for Bovine Social Club.<\/p>\n

TC:\u00a0 <\/b>Your band mate Seth Mandel has an extra talent as a nationally ranked Scrabble master.\u00a0 Have you ever challenged him to a game?<\/p>\n

<\/b>SST:\u00a0 <\/b>No (laughs)! I would surely lose.<\/p>\n

Members of the Bovine Social Club include Seth Mandel (multi-instrumentalist), Johnny Smith (banjo), Joe Borthwick (bass), Jeff Barg (drummer) and Samuel Saint Thomas (vocals, guitar). \u00a0They will be playing Olive\u2019s in Nyack<\/strong>, NY on April 26th<\/sup>, as well as opening for Steep Canyon Rangers at Bethel Woods<\/strong> on May 3rd<\/sup>.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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